Ward Cunningham @WardCunningham We explore http://glitch.com as a federated wiki friendly hosting environment. Video chat about this and other news starts in 15 minutes. https://zoom.us/j/818108478
Roster
# Discussed
+ Glitch
+ Eric demoed site 
+ Anil from Glitch stopped by more in chat.
Glitch.
# Chat
From Pete Forsyth to Everyone: (10:09 AM) Early on Eric said it's like "GitHub or like Git." I'm curious which -- it seems like that's a pretty big distinction (centralized or federated -- right?) and I'm not sure which metaphor to frame my understanding... Also, what's the high-level goal here? Is it to make it easy for somebody to host their own wiki? It was easy for me, I guess, because somebody else did the work of setting up a farm. From Pete Forsyth to Everyone: (10:15 AM) (And if I clone Eric's wiki, it sounds like I ONLY get the structure, not any of his content -- right? I'd have to fork those within the new wiki if I want to get that?) From Paul to Everyone: (10:16 AM) Yes, just the structure From Pete Forsyth to Everyone: (10:17 AM) Thanks From Eric Dobbs to Everyone: (10:20 AM) https://mango-product.glitch.me From Me to Everyone: (10:24 AM) I endorse this discussion toward hosting without CLI admin skills at low cost. From Paul to Everyone: (10:26 AM) Glitch are partnering with Google to move Thimble projects over — https://medium.com/glitch/welcoming-thimble-to-glitch-f2097394d6c2 From Me to Everyone: (10:31 AM) Even Firebase requires CLI know how. From duke to Everyone: (10:34 AM) CLI = cool for nontechies if super simple few commands (scary part is too much power, bad accidents (maybe can be firewalled?)) From Pete Forsyth to Everyone: (10:35 AM) I wrote a blog post recently on a related topic (rules to promote desired behavior) https://wikistrategies.net/a-proven-innovation-could-benefit-facebooks-users-and-its-shareholders-too/ From duke to Everyone: (10:36 AM) kuro5hin? From ward to Everyone: (10:37 AM) http://forage.ward.fed.wiki.org/content-overflow.html From Me to Everyone: (10:37 AM) Given normal wiki storage and traffic the main costs to the hosting service at scale seems to the CPU related. Google now offers a free micro cpu instances. From Eric Dobbs to Everyone: (10:38 AM) https://glitch.com/edit/#!/wiki-demo From Me to Everyone: (10:46 AM) I was going to try hacking Firebase wiki site adaptor over the Xmas-New year holiday. Glitch looks ready to go? From Eric Dobbs to Everyone: (10:47 AM) Clive, I think you could get started with glitch pretty directly. And I’d be happy to help iron out any wrinkles. From Anil Dash to Everyone: (10:49 AM) Yep! We teamed up with the Firebase team to make some instant starters on Glitch, too, if you want to use those tools. But we find a lot of folks just use a Glitch starter and remix it (clone it) and go from there From Me to Everyone: (10:54 AM) Eric, awesome. I will plan to proceed with Glitch. Are you ok with Q&A on git…email or another? From duke to Everyone: (10:57 AM) nice how social history visible with document/index From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (10:59 AM) Duke, would you like to connect with an editor of The Block? From Pete Forsyth to Everyone: (11:00 AM) http://forsythcriteria.bay.wiki.org/view/welcome-visitors/view/forsyth-criteria From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:03 AM) What kind of content can I host on your platform? (I tend toward the Get Out The Vote and state level and other down ballot races) From Anil Dash to Everyone: (11:04 AM) We’re pretty open. The goal is that Glitch is, by default, appropriate for educators to use in schools, etc., but any common practical use is totally fine. From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:04 AM) commercial? From Anil Dash to Everyone: (11:04 AM) We have tons of activists and journalists on Glitch. Yep! From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:04 AM) have you looked into bitnami's approach? From Anil Dash to Everyone: (11:04 AM) and we’ll be introducing more paid features for making commercial apps run better (by default, free projects get suspended after 5 minutes of disuse) From Anil Dash to Everyone: (11:05 AM) We have, but we’re trying to enable the community to remix and reuse each other’s code within the platform, as opposed to container-level isolation From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:05 AM) I can create a batch file for the project to get hit every minute and I'll figure out an automated daily local backup spammers, miners and phishers From Anil Dash to Everyone: (11:08 AM) people do that, yep. Ideally we’d like to make it so people find value in the paid services and keeping the app alive would be one of those From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:09 AM) I understand the concept of paying for bandwidth and storage. From Me to Everyone: (11:09 AM) IAM admin on AWS/GCP is now harder w/o granting root access control to security. Enabling insecurity. From Pete Forsyth to Everyone: (11:09 AM) Very interested in how to engage primary school kids with wiki and interactive web stuff. I just recently presented on Wikipedia to a 4th/5th grade class, it was a great experience: https://twitter.com/PeteForsyth/status/1070799299997396992 From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:09 AM) I don't like the typical markups on those From Pete Forsyth to Everyone: (11:09 AM) I'd love to hear from others interested in/working on wiki for kids From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:10 AM) My wife teaches 3rd grade From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:10 AM) The biggest commercial need is hosting From Pete Forsyth to Everyone: (11:10 AM) Cool -- still need to catch up re: newspapers, let's add that to our list =) From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:10 AM) Their domain name, easy email sadly the wiki farm I use was set up by a 14 year old who couldn't register the domain himself. From daviding to Everyone: (11:17 AM) Found the mic volume button! From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:18 AM) I appreciate your efforts on setting those expectations There are a lot of archers on Stack Overflow From Anil Dash to Everyone: (11:23 AM) Always room to improve, but hopefully things are headed the right way! From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:24 AM) This was an interesting idea: https://twitter.com/hellocivil?lang=en (it died) From Anil Dash to Everyone: (11:25 AM) yeah, they were a great team with a good idea, but maybe not a full business there From Robert Sterbal (work) to Everyone: (11:25 AM) I just thought you might adopt them :) From duke to Everyone: (11:25 AM) thank you everyone!