@wardcunningham A modern async implementation of wiki's polymorphic page fetch is nearing completion. This is the heart of our "collaborative link" that joins wiki sites gracefully. We'll video chat about this and other news starting in 10 minutes.
Ward shared progress and Eric discussed that FedWiki is used inside a walled garden at New Relic to get data and collaborate. That branching is useful and entices engineers in to solve devops and other gnarly support issues.
A related discussion on giving engineers enough time to do a proper job -- if they will agree on what a proper job is (else it takes forever) -- led to XP Agile wiki site
This way of working allows incredibly thoughtful ways of working through federated relationships.
Wiki helps NURFs. Context experienced engineers who help solve complex distributed systems (such as hundreds of microservices run on an incredibly complicated Rails system). Allowing engineers to focus on digging in because someone with context is playing a critical roles about which team is expert and how to keep them working on high visibility customer incidents.
DevOps experts David Woods, Richard Cook...(cards close to chest). Accidental concealment, 737 Max 800, automation concealment. Tools to do real incident analysis in complex systems.
On Federated Learning for FedWiki. I was thinking more about David Bovil's community building more than distributed systems incident discovery. “A bit of capacity", "working 5/6 days", "write up after-the-fact".
UX question on clicking, small talk, code (like Excel) influenced Wiki. Yes - Wiki developers gift Wiki plugins to Wiki users (because JS is so powerful).
From Me to Everyone: (10:12 AM) Federated learning may contribute http://clive.tries.fed.wiki/view/federated-learning From Nima to Everyone: (10:20 AM) It’s the first-time that I’m understanding how those “colors” are useful. They help with too-many-tabs problem!! Hmm.. S1:S10 could be stored inside cells of a spreadsheet. :) From Robert Best to Everyone: (10:40 AM) are sub-sub domains easy easy to claim as sub domains are? From Curiousg to Everyone: (10:40 AM) hi robert! From Robert Best to Everyone: (10:40 AM) Hello! From Perry Wagle to Everyone: (10:41 AM) Assign 1 or more domains to things? From Curiousg to Everyone: (10:41 AM) fancy seeing you on here :) From Perry Wagle to Everyone: (10:41 AM) idea being that I always have more than one reason to do something From Nima to Everyone: (10:45 AM) Perry do you mean having 2 different domains pointing to one wiki? From Perry Wagle to Everyone: (10:46 AM) New Relic Emergency Response Force https://blog.newrelic.com/engineering/new-relic-nerf/ From Curiousg to Everyone: (10:47 AM) better off without them robert, much more interesting things happening with less cult side effects lol From ChrisGebhardt to Everyone: (10:47 AM) Robert: You don't claim subdomains. You configure them, just in DNS instead of paths on the server. But they're effectively the same thing identity-wise. Both are grounded by the authoritative domain name under the root. From Robert Best to Everyone: (10:51 AM) I don't know how it works behind the scenes... but when Ward first showed me how to use fedwiki.... He just had me type in robert.tries.fed.wiki , and then I just seemed to be able to "claim" that site with google or some other identity provider... Wasn't sure if you could do something like: robert.perspective1.fed.wiki robert.perspective2.fed.wiki To intentionally write from multiple perspectives, or topics as David referred to them, but all on the same site I guess. From daviding to Everyone: (10:52 AM) We might train people to have perspective1.robert.fed.wiki and perspective.robert.fed.wiki instead. From ChrisGebhardt to Everyone: (10:53 AM) Those sorts of things are best left to metadata, not naming. (Of course, naming is perilous in general and should be abandoned) From daviding to Everyone: (10:54 AM) So, would the claim be on robert.fed.wiki, and then farms as perspective1.robert.fed.wiki without having to claim or reconfigure DNS. ? From ChrisGebhardt to Everyone: (10:58 AM) All subdomain usage involves reconfiguring DNS. Some systems just automate the process. From David Bovill to Everyone: (11:03 AM) David - I can show you how to do this - both versions - its built in and easy to use / set up. We can talk afterwards and I can set up the hosting for you? From Me to Everyone: (11:14 AM) On Federated Learning for FedWiki I was thinking more about David’s community building more than distributed systems incident discovery. “A bit of capacity / working 5/6 days.... write up after-the-fact) From David Bovill to Everyone: (11:18 AM) http://proto.institute/minimal-viable-governance.html From Paul to Everyone: (11:22 AM) Thinking of Ruby - https://www.cyberscoop.com/bootstrap-sass-infected-snyk-rubygems/ From ldhT08VjZdbUQ6q9qBeuPEiwOyo0uHpS+KXIgYu6Mw5Cgxr0Din2lkPF4JbWpVWggxCVo+YybNLhX5aDBVdCUg== to Everyone: (11:27 AM) hi thats me chris From Me to Everyone: (11:28 AM) Took notes http://clive.tries.fed.wiki/view/wiki-devuser-video-chat-apr-10 From daviding to Everyone: (11:32 AM) Susu Nousala is the professor at Tongji U. On Shanghai, moving to Barcelona. From Perry Wagle to Everyone: (11:39 AM) There prooftree renderers for proof general in emacs From Perry Wagle to Everyone: (11:40 AM) .. are .. From Perry Wagle to Everyone: (11:45 AM) I am really uncomfortable with excluding the minority of power users From David Bovill to Everyone: (11:46 AM) Tell me more - who are the minority of power users - trying to picture them? From Paul to Everyone: (11:47 AM) very true of emacs From Perry Wagle to Everyone: (11:48 AM) i mean in general.. important features get removed from things because most people don’t use them People who do are thereby crippled I’m still helpless for me, it was plugins for Firefox, mostly From Perry Wagle to Everyone: (11:51 AM) Then other ux braindamage.. some ux person get a bug up their whatever, and then removes CANCEL out adds double spacing or adds There’s this meme that you must strip everything down to JUST what the majority needs From daviding to Everyone: (11:53 AM) David Bovill, did you want to talk with Robert and me, after this Zoom ends? Do you have another address From Perry Wagle to Everyone: (11:53 AM) and they don’t need much From Perry Wagle to Everyone: (11:53 AM) And so progress gets tossed with the bathwater From daviding to Everyone: (11:54 AM) Three of us are members on Diglife, so maybe we should meet there. From ldhT08VjZdbUQ6q9qBeuPEiwOyo0uHpS+KXIgYu6Mw5Cgxr0Din2lkPF4JbWpVWggxCVo+YybNLhX5aDBVdCUg== to Everyone: (11:54 AM) I totally agree with that... I think webComponents might possibly be the closest I have seen so far, but I dont know if it is "more or less what you would be able to do if you were coding a browser" oops